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no1918 |
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I hear that Knebel is transferring from Bastrop to GT. Interesting how GT gets so many transfers ...
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GtownEAGLE |
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are you trying to accuse GT of anything?
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LionFan00 |
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I agree...someone call the board on Danny Wallace.
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woodhead |
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Way to go dude, lets name some one and put a subliminal accusation on the board. Who has solid proof that there something
fishy going on here??????no one !!!!!!way to go!!!!!!!!!!
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GAKA1 |
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Hey 1918/Lion Fan
Where is that coming from ? Along with your other accusations..How about producing a list of ALL the transfers that have gone in to Georgetown...I only know of one player that moved in there in the past few years, and we all know that was Jungmann. How about some proof before you start throwing accusations around. |
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Yakker |
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1918 / Lion Fan
I get it, if someone chooses to move to another city in the district and put their children in their high school rather than attending yours, then there is something fishy going on. Would you like some cheese with that whine? I guess it would never cross your narrow minds that people may choose to live in Georgetown based on the virtues of the city - a community featuring a small town atmosphere and strong family values. I'm pretty certain that this was a factor in the Jungman's decision to move to Georgetown. Isn't it strange that when Frank Anderson coached at the University of Texas, he chose to live in Georgetown, and put his son in the GISD school system. I'm sure that he could have lived in any community in the greater-Austin area - I guess Georgetown conspired to influence his decision also. Or quite simply, it might be that the Knebel family reads this forum and simply chose to stay away from the likes of people like you. |
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Maverick219 |
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As a outsider to Georgetown, I do find it strange that a 6'2'' pitcher is transferring to Georgetown especially next year when Georgetown loses
their starting pitchers. Probably wouldn't think a thing about it except with Jungmann transferring in just makes it seem as if there is a pattern there. I
also heard 3rd hand and have no proof that Conlee transfer into Georgetown at some point (his junior year??). Also heard that GT coach "requires" GT
players to play with Wings during the summer. As a outsider, I find that sort of fishy. It would be interesting to know if this Bastrop transfer played for
Wings. Makes me think that GT is using their relationship with Wings to do some "scouting" for possible player transfers. After what the GT coach did
a few years ago where he lost his last district game on purpose to get a better bracket position, just makes me think that nothing is unthinking as far as what
GT would do to win.
I just think when as a outsider looking in and seeing/hearing all these things then people are going to start rumors etc... I would think if the other district coaches thought something was "fishy" then they would report it. |
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dutchrennert |
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Folks, the UIL has a very stringent set of rules regarding transfers and they keep a pretty close eye on the reasons on the forms. They do deny transfers.
Micah Gibbs (Leander to Pflugerville) is one example. They are very critical of in-district transfers but less critical of out of district and out of
classification transfers, primarily because the parents must make a financial commitment (housing changes). I have no knowledge of the Jungmann reasons for the
transfer but I would guess that it was parent employment related.
Further proof of this is the ruling handed down yesterday by the UIL. Here is the excerpt from the article in the Austin American-Statesman: 'Lake Travis' playoff schedule will remain the same after the UIL ruled on Wednesday afternoon that Calallen High School did not use an ineligible player this season. Calallen was facing the forfeiture of most of their games this season, including last week's 8-3 win over Alice in the regional quarterfinals. Instead, the Cavaliers and Wildcats will open up their best-of-three series on Friday. At the heart of Wednesday's meeting at UIL headquarters was the eligibility of Calallen senior outfielder Jacob Hubert. Hubert, who was not in attendance at the hearing, is hitting .393 with three home runs in 33 games this season. After three years at Kaufer High School in Riviera, Hubert, who had grown up in the Calallen area, moved back with his family this past summer because of "safety issues." However, in addition to his family still renting property in Riviera, Hubert's two younger siblings attend school in a Riviera ISD middle school and his mother works as a nurse in the school district. Calallen is roughly 45 miles away from Riviera. Also at issue were some answers on Hubert's previous participation form and the document's overall authenticity. Recently, the UIL received an e-mail claiming that Hubert had transfered to Calallen in order to win a state championship. Calallen, the defending Class 4A champions, has outscored its opponents 35-3 in four playoff games this year. Kaufer, a Class 2A school, had its season ended in the area playoff round by Danbury. On Wednesday, Hubert's father denied the e-mailer's claims. "I truly believe we made the right decision," said Pancho Hubert, who has been a practicing veterinarian in Calallen since 1991 and is a co-owner of Tejas Veterinary Clinic. "Sports were definitely second, always." In addition to Pancho Hubert, Rivera ISD superintendent Ernest Havner and Calallen ISD superintendent Arturo Almendarez testified at the meeting. Havner, who started in Riviera in June, confirmed the Huberts' safety concerns and Almendarez pointed out that Hubert, a star football player at Kaufer, was not allowed by his parents to play football at Calallen. "They did not move to Calallen for athletic purposes," Almendarez said. After nearly 90 minutes of testimony, the UIL voted unanimously to uphold Hubert's eligibility.' As to the transfers into GT verses other schools? Remember that the kid has to go to class, pass all the classes, make the team and then earn a starting position, and then perform on the field just to have an impact. Is this Knebel's senior year we are talking about? Unless he is a lock D1 prospect then I would say transferring into a program like GT is a huge risk for the kid. There is a lot of talent in that program and he could have adjustment issues. But he is only one player.....................there are 8 others in the lineup. |
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Maverick219 |
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Blue, GT knows exactly what they are getting with this kid and I am sure the kid and his parents know what they are getting into. No risk here!
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Great post Blue!
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Maverick219 |
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RRF, really?? What else was the UIL going to do with Calallen transfer?? They have just gotten beating up on the swine flu fiasco by both track and baseball
fans. If they ruled against the transfer just more bad publicity with the entire Calallen fan base attacking them including legal action I am sure. They had
nothing to lose by ruling like they did. Not sure who raised the kid's eligibility but if it was Lake Travis, I am sure they thought that they had nothing
to lose and everything to gain to try it. It didn't go their way so play ball. I seriously doubted if UIL wanted any more bad publicity at this point. It
was nice that they listen to testimony for 90 minutes but in my opinion, their minds were already made up! A few weeks ago you all were dissing UIL and now
they can do no wrong.
As far as this transfer being just one player and there are 8 others on the team: every team in the district just wants to compete on a level playing field. This isn't a level playing field. |
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dutchrennert |
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Mav, you are very intense on this subject and I respect that but how would your opinion change if Knebel was coming to your school? No coach (or supporter) is
going to look a gift horse in the mouth. While I agree it does seem odd GT seems to get all the high profile transfers, I think we should be looking at the
other side of the coin which is why doesn't a kid transfer to McNeil, RR or CP? The answer is when all else is in the balance and the parents have to
consider what is best for their kid they look at the schools academically, the athletic programs, the coaches and the specific teams. If I was moving due to a
job and had kids that would be the criteria.
I think if anyone was moving into 16-5A and used this criteria, GT would be at the top of the list. Can the same be said for McNeil, CP or RR? I think the answer is obvious. On the issue of 'requiring' players to play with the Wings? What is the penalty for not playing with the Wings? There are other club teams in the area. Where do most of the RR and CP kids play? Action Sports seems to have a lock on the Leander kids and the McNeil and WW kids gravitate to ABC. Does GT have a summer team like WW, RR and McNeil? If Wallace is recruiting then it is wrong and the program and the player should be punished. |
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LionPlayer7 |
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No one summer program has a "lock" over any school. I attend Leander and play there, we have kids that play for Slam, ABC, and Action. Georgetown has
kids that play with Wings, and Slam. Same with any other school. WW-Slam and ABC. RR-Slam and Action. It's all preference. Not a big deal. But in a
player's eyes that does not attend G-Town, it does seem as if they are getting more of the top players moving in. One major reason is that they have proved
to be a power house baseball team the last few years in Central Texas. As far as the game two years ago that they threw (against Us) goes...it was like a slap
in the face. I think their coach should have been punished for it. Oh well, it's all said and done, and there is no changing it now!
This next year should be quite exciting in district 16-5A baseball! |
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leanderdad10 |
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I have to agree that it does seem a little "fishy" that another top central Texas player plans to transfer to Georgetown, when there are other good
"programs" in the area. Truthfully it really doesn't matter to me because they and the team still have to produce on the field, and it just
makes the district a little more competitive and it gives us other folks something to talk about. It takes more than one player to win in baseball.
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dutchrennert |
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LionPlayer7 - Do you know if any of the GT kids that play with Slam are penalized for it? Your view into all of this is refreshing. Sounds like you play at one
of the clubs. Do you know where the Knebel kid is playing for the summer?
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StanTheMan |
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I'm not totally familiar w/ some of the summer ball.. but I do know that Wings IS based out of Georgetown.
Maybe that is why they have so many G-town players? Also, they seem to have a fairly high success rate as of late. |
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GAKA1 |
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Well, its obvious that the season is over locally and nobody has anything to talk about so lets dig something up.. While we are busy bashing Georgetown and
throwing random accusations about where players are "forced to play or be punished" lets have someone come up with some facts. I am a fan of the
Georgetown program and have tried not to respond much to this, but enough is enough.
Has anyone stopped to discuss the players that have transferred FROM Georgetown and started at other programs this last year. I guess those other schools should be punished. The Bell kid at LEANDER of all places was at Georgetown his first two years and started at Leander this season. Gonzales started at Vista Ridge and was at GHS for 3 years before this past season. Luna moved to Hutto and started this season...Hurry somone start the investigations of those coaches they are recruiting kids from Georgetown....As for the stupid comment about Conlee, completely wrong. He played all his seasons at Georgetown, but hey its the internet and anything can be posted. Just hide behind the computer. There are kids playing for the Wings and Slam out of Georgetown just check the rosters, but I hear most of CP's kids play with Action, so there must be something going on. Lets start an investigation. And finally, will someone produce a list of ALL the transfers Georgetown has had. We all know of Jugmann as I mentioned in my other post, but I am waiting to read that list of all the kids that have transferred in there. |
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ttyyrose1234 |
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transfers from the last few years to GT- Taylor Jungmann, Nick Rose, Nick Adams, and soon Corey Knebel
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GAKA1 |
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Correction on my part..Nick Adams moved in from Nevada, I am sure he was a big recruit out of that state. Nick Rose moved in from Minnesota. I guess the
recruiting budget for Georgetown transfers is unlimited.
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Maverick219 |
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GAKA - I think you are missing my point. To me the Georgetown coach is establishing a pipeline between Georgetown and the Wings organization based on the last
few transfers into Georgetown. Sort of a advance scouting service especially in the pitching department. Again the rumor I have heard is that Georgetown
players are pressured into playing for Wings in the summer. If you look at the Wings summer roster and compare it to the GT's varsity underclassmen roster
it definitely doesn't disprove the rumor. Also, don't you find it strange that with such talent in Georgetown that when Action Sports created their
teams with one of the best coaches in Central Texas (Langerhans) that not a single Georgetown player moved to Action Sports like a lot of the good talent in
the area did? All I am saying is that there is a very healthy relationship between GT and Wings and it looks like there is a pattern starting to form that is
giving Georgetown an advantage.
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dutchrennert |
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GAKA - I agree with you on the out of hand part. As I stated earlier, the UIL keeps a pretty close eye on the transfers after all of the stuff that happened in
football back in the 70's and 80's with the Houston and Dallas schools. To your point - the out of state transfers are a non-issue. I am sure that
every coach has a relationship or a preference for where they would like their players to play club ball since they cannot coach them. Again, I ask the
question if there is a penalty for not playing with the Wings?......if no evidence then this is a non-issue. There is nothing in the UIL rules that prevent the
use of the club teams as a scouting venue. There are rules about actually assisting or implying that you will financially assist someone after a transfer (the
Houston Strake Jesuit teams get a cavity search for this every year by the UIL since they are a private school).
Your argument is strong and Jungmann was an exception. Unless there is evidence of anything other than parents selecting a place to live in the course of a life change then we should move on. Maverick makes an argument that doesn't hold water in my opinion and I suspect that part of it is frustration that McNeil gets very good athletes in football, baseball and other sports but cannot seem to harness the power. This means that when kids need to transfer into 16-5A that McNeil doesn't rank at the top of the list. Mav, is it true that most of the McNeil kids play at ABC and Slam? How is the relationship between the coach at ABC and the coach at McNeil? |
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